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Since the secret's out, there's no point in trying to hide it any more. Alison, any chance we could go shopping tomorrow afternoon after I get back from Stonewall? There's a swimsuit that needs buying - learning to swim in shorts and t-shirt is bloody difficult. Just... nothing too skimpy, all right? Hell will freeze over before I ever get into a bikini.

*snickers*

Date: 2004-06-01 07:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-empath.livejournal.com
Never mind the bollocks? ;)

And yes, it's a good manners thing. We'll bring you up to speed soon enough, although I doubt you'll like it much.

And is it _possible_ for me to spend too much time around you?

Manuel

Re: *snickers*

Date: 2004-06-01 08:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-tarot.livejournal.com
It is also bad manners to refuse a gift freely given.

In that case, which do you listen to?

It depends.

Date: 2004-06-01 08:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-empath.livejournal.com
On the value of the gift in proportion to what is lost in obligation to the giver.

In this case, a limited, valuable resource (home-made cookies) in exchange for - friendliness? A conversation? Pity?

Note that I protested, you offered again, and then I accepted. I just haven't been by to claim it yet.

Manuel

Re: It depends.

Date: 2004-06-01 08:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-tarot.livejournal.com
Not that limited. I can always get more. Talking to my mother, even with the obsession with Jeanne D'Arc is worth cookies.

Cookies are more valuable when shared. That is what they are for, secondarily. (First, they are for eating. Second, for sharing. Third for crumbling up and leaving in people's beds, but only ooky cinnamon cookies are for that.)

If you say so.

Date: 2004-06-01 08:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-empath.livejournal.com
I truly do not understand you people sometimes.

I never got cookies from either of my parents. And sharing them? Unlikely. Is that like a business meeting? I've been to plenty of those, and there was usually alcohol at the least, and food sometimes.

Manuel

Re: If you say so.

Date: 2004-06-01 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-tarot.livejournal.com
Your parents never gave you cookies?

NEVER?

Okay, you must understand that I am staring at my screen in disbelief.

*stops to think*

Date: 2004-06-01 08:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-empath.livejournal.com
Nope.

Never.

That's not the way we were. If I was a good boy, I could sit in the corner while Alphonso met with the King, or if I was extra-good, I could go play with the Crown Prince.

Or I could go for swims in the Med, or go out to a club, or something like that.

Cookies? I don't think so.

Manuel

Re: *stops to think*

Date: 2004-06-01 08:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-tarot.livejournal.com
I am not sure I will ever get used to the way you casually toss out things like "play with the Crown Prince."

I suppose perhaps it is a financial thing? It just...

Something about the way you say these things bothers me on a core level. I cannot put words to it.

Re: *stops to think*

Date: 2004-06-01 08:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-empath.livejournal.com
Well, I've met the King and the Crown Prince a few times in my life. Alphonso's a backer of Basque soverignty, so he's done negotiations on that behalf several times.

He is a much older than I am (the Crown Prince, that is), so we never got to interact much.

Of course, that was all ... before.

Now I am nothing.

Manuel

Re: *stops to think*

Date: 2004-06-01 08:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-tarot.livejournal.com
See, you had me talking right up until the place where you decided that not having your family money or power meant you were nothing.

Re: *stops to think*

Date: 2004-06-01 08:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-empath.livejournal.com
Shit.

Sorry, I've got to learn to stop doing that.

But it's hard sometimes. I used to have it all, and now ... I don't. Old habits die hard, even after all I've been through.

Forgive me?

Manuel

Re: *stops to think*

Date: 2004-06-01 08:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-tarot.livejournal.com
Forgiveness is not so easy as just asking for it.

Even for Catholics, we have to work at it.

Nothing is stopping you from building a fortune and name of your own.

Well, realistically..

Date: 2004-06-01 08:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-empath.livejournal.com
There are many roadblocks to that sort of success.

But I'm working on them. Slowly, and in my own way, but I am working on them.

The fortune I can possibly build. But not the name. The name stretches back to Imperial Rome herself. It has an age, a gravity, that cannot be duplicated by fiat.

But all of this is really very irrelevant. Maybe it would help to hear of your childhood, to hear how other people here were raised.

Might help me to understand, to be able to tell what is acceptable and normal and what is not.

Manuel

Re: Well, realistically..

Date: 2004-06-01 08:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-tarot.livejournal.com
And yet, you still have your name. Unless you are Manuel Nobody now?

The fortune.. Manuel, we should talk about that when you have some time.

--

As for my childnood - you sound like Dr. Samson when you ask that.

I suppose it was normal enough, but I do not even know where to begin.

I spend far too much time with Samson

Date: 2004-06-02 06:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-empath.livejournal.com
But I don't want to be crippled forever.

And what about my efforts to raise a fortune? Does this offend you somehow?

Start at the beginning. You're French, obviously. From Lyons, if my admittedly spotty memory serves? What was it like?

I grew up in Basque country. It's a beautiful part of Spain, just on our side of the Pyranees. I learned to ride, and fence, and travelled all over Europe with fat - with Alphonso. I've met my King, and played chess with the Crown Prince. I've swam in the Mediterranean.

Not much to tell. A fairly standard upper-class upbringing.

Manuel

Re: If you say so.

Date: 2004-06-01 08:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-tarot.livejournal.com
I know. It was a gut reaction, and a poor one.

I am sorry. I did not mean to imply anything in particular except that I was surprised.

Re: If you say so.

Date: 2004-06-01 09:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-tarot.livejournal.com
We learned biscuits and cookies both in class.
The nuns did not appriciate us wanting a practical demonstration.



Alphonso

Date: 2004-06-01 08:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-empath.livejournal.com
will adjust. He's well-bred enough to come up or down to the level of the person he's trying to charm.

And I can't be Rotten - I've got this thing about inserting safety pins into my anatomy. Not really my style.

It will probably be refreshing and new if you stayed the gutter-snipe that you are when you meet him. Watching him flounder for a few sentences should be fun.

Manuel

Lovely.

Date: 2004-06-02 06:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-empath.livejournal.com
I'll make sure to bring a translator so that _I_ can understand you, let alone him.

And I'll need to give you a few phrases in Basque for the greeting. That will impress him, set him up nicely for your little guttersnipe revelation.

Manuel

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